Two B2B podcast agencies working from the same idea. The decision is not which one believes in it. It is which one writes the number down.
Rise25 and High Ticket AI Systems are both B2B podcast agencies built on the same thesis: the fastest route to the buyers you want is to invite them into your own guest seat. Rise25 publishes it as the Dream 200 and sells a roadmap that maps the relationships first. High Ticket AI Systems runs it as one engagement with the outcome fixed in the contract from day one, 30 recorded conversations with your ideal buyers in 90 days, or your money back. Same thesis, different promise.
Nobody here disagrees about the strategy. They disagree about what an agency should be willing to put its fee behind.
Starts with a roadmap that maps your best relationships.
Starts with a number we refund against if we miss it.
Every claim in the Rise25 column is taken from their own live pages, cited in the source of this page.
| High Ticket AI Systems | Rise25 | |
|---|---|---|
| The core thesis | Invite the buyers you want most into your own guest seat | The same idea, published as the Dream 200 |
| Where the list comes from | Built and verified against your buyer criteria, then kept refilled | Your top 200 relationships, named with you in the roadmap sessions |
| Who sends the invitations | We do, and we answer every reply | They do too, as part of the service |
| How the engagement starts | One engagement, list building begins immediately | A roadmap first, then you decide whether to run it yourself or with them |
| What is committed in writing | 30 recorded conversations with your ideal buyers in 90 days | A launch timeline. No minimum number of interviews is published |
| If the number is missed | Every dollar back, and you keep the recordings | No refund or performance guarantee is published |
| Time to your first recording | Inside 14 days, or the next month is free | Show launched in 4 to 5 weeks |
| Editing and publishing | Included, with title, thumbnail, clips and show notes | Included, and it is a deep, well built production offering |
| Training on the conversations | Included. The alignment call, the recording, and the sales conversation after it | Interview and outreach templates, and conversion strategy, inside the roadmap |
| Who hosts the recording | You host, with our scripts and our training | You host |
| Who it is built for | Owner operated agencies and fractional executives where the founder is still selling | B2B organizations from startups through Fortune 500 |
Rise25 has been publishing the Dream 200 for years. Name the 200 people whose relationships would move your business more than any others, then build the podcast specifically to get them into the guest seat. That is not adjacent to what we do. It is the same insight, and pretending otherwise would only tell you we had not read them.
So this page is not going to argue that we discovered something they missed. If you are choosing between the two, the strategy is settled either way. What is left to decide is who carries the list, who carries the outreach, and what happens if the conversations do not show up.
Every good agency has a view on what its work produces. Rise25 has one, backed by client stories and years of episodes, and those stories are real. What their published terms commit to is the launch timeline and the production scope, which is what almost every agency in this category commits to.
Ours is written differently. The contract names 30 recorded conversations with your ideal buyers inside 90 days, and if we miss it you get every dollar back and keep the recordings and the warmed sending infrastructure. That is the whole argument of this page. An expectation tells you what an agency believes. A refund tells you what it is willing to lose.
The Dream 200 engagement runs as a set of strategy sessions and ends with a plan. Their own page is candid about what happens next: you decide whether to execute the outreach yourself with your team, or whether to work together on it. That is an honest way to sell strategy, and for a company with a marketing team ready to run the plan it is a sensible first purchase.
For a founder who is still the one selling, that second decision is where the plan usually dies. So there is no roadmap phase here. We take your buyer criteria on the onboarding call, and list building starts that week. The plan is the engagement.
A hand picked list of your 200 best relationships is the highest quality list you will ever hold, and it is finite. Getting 30 of them into a recorded conversation inside 90 days means a large share of your single best list saying yes on the first pass, and there is no second list behind it when the names run out.
Committing to a number in writing forces the other shape. We source continuously against your criteria, verify every address before an invitation goes out, and keep the list refilling underneath the campaign for as long as you are with us. The Dream 200 is a list you spend. This is a list that gets rebuilt.
There is no version of this page where Rise25 is the wrong answer for everybody. They are the closest thing we have to a peer, they got to the idea before we did, and a founder with the names already in hand and a team to work them will do well there. The people who end up with us tend to arrive with the opposite problem: a clear picture of the buyer, no list, and nobody free to build one. You can see what that has produced on the results page.
15 minutes. We will show you the buyer list we would build for your show and the invitation we would send them. No deck, no pressure.
See How We'd Build Your Show →30 recorded conversations with your ideal buyers in 90 days, or it's free, every dollar back if we miss it. We put it in the contract.